Tuesday, November 22, 2011

Should all nations promoting freedom boycott China's Olympic Games in protest over Tibet?

China's investment makes it NOW as vulnerable as the Tibetans. This, and current Tibetan revolt, creates unique opportunity. The Games' promotion as creating international understanding is invalid or at least highly questionable. The pre-war Berlin Games did nothing to avert World War 2. I know athletes and nations also have heavy investments - but are these more important than humanity itself? The Games are now merely a vehicle for elite athletes' ambitions, exploited for national ego, TV entertainment, and commercial profit. Against the repression and colonization of the peaceful people of Tibet, doesn't failure to act as and when we can diminish us all? It troubles me - so I'm interested in other opinions.|||What the heck are you talking about?








What is happening right now in Tibet is clearly an organized, well planned VIOLENT "incident" by Dalai Lama who is funded by anti-China foreign government. They picked the moment right before Olympics.





Those people who "protest" are thugs. You can see in the video, they are burning down shops, cars on the streets. They would have been arrested in all countries for doing this.





By the way, Dalai Lama was the biggest slave owner in Tibet. All the land in TIbet were owned by the monks who were serving Dalai Lama. Majority population were bonded to the land owned by those monks. There was no such thing as "Tibet freedom" before communists took over. Western anti-communists mass media brainwashed people to believe Dalai Lama is a peace loving monk, because they want to demonlize the Chinese government.





Just take a good look at the videos in the following links. Those aren't even "protests", it's CRIME.


video #1


A group of Tibetan thugs beating up a Han Chinese.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxWZuRHpv…


video #2


These terrorists burn down shops, cars. Oh wait, isn't that dude kicking a shop's glass dressed as a monk? WOW, shouldn't buddhist monks doing that? I always thought Tibetan "buddhism" is a joke, it's no where close to the real Buddhism you find ANYWHERE else.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYdnkUbzg…





People are just blinded after being brainwashed for all their lives. They don't seem have a problem if someone burn down their houses, cars, beating their family to deaths. Of course, if the government steps in to stop those mobs, it will be "human rights violation".|||Yes, absolutely! They are very afraid that will happen! The US is in a perfect position to receive Human Rights promises from China because of this possibility!|||The money is always more important than the rights of the minorities.





The history is repeating over and over again.|||Yes, we should.





Will it happen? I doubt it....too many greed-head companies on board for that, drooling over that "Chinese market".





And these are the same folks (the mainland Chinese) who keep using lead-based paints in our children's toys. All while the TV rightwads on Fox News have conniptions whenever the rest of us *grown-up humans* correct that situation, you know, to protect ourselves...?





So yeah, I don't see it happening. The damned companies just won't allow it. Imagine that, *capitalism* supporting the Communism of the Chinese. O_O





Somewhere in the Great Beyond I bet some dude named Mao is seriously sick to his stomach.





Just saying....We should do the right thing here....but will we have the *spine* in our bodies to?|||Yes, all free nations should boycott the Olympics!!





Plus buy nothing Made in China.


I know most things are now Made in China, but we could at least try?|||Approiach it differently





Go, but as soon as the athlete is finished, bring them home. so at the closing ceremony, no one is there.





beat the wings off of them in competition|||A case could certainly be made for doing so. The real question is: how effective would it be?|||Again, yes Boycott China's Olympic money making machine, stop buying Made in China, email your MP or Government representitive, ask them what they are doing about the genocide.


Email companies you know use China as a pool of cheap labour, wallmart etc.


Tell them you will not buy from them until things in China change.


These are small things I know, but if one hundred thousand people do it, then the financial effects will begin to show, if one million people do it then it will have a greater impact.


We seem to forget that if we get behind a common cause, and use the power of buying or not buying, then the consumer has a huge power over companies and also governments.


China needs to be tackled or they will dfo whatever they like.


And bully's only respond to strength, so we should become much stronger in our dealing with them.|||I think it should be up to the athletes. banning them is not fair.|||I agree all nations should, I'd be surprised if any do. I boycott all Chinese products.|||Other nations should encourage mainland China to seek a peaceful end to the solution. Encouraging other ethnic groups in other nations to revolt is not the right solution. And boycotting the Olympics would only tell China that the Tibetans have destroyed what they've worked for....which will encourage China to use actual force in suppressing the current protests.





We've suppressed minority rights for blacks, Native Americans, Asians, Hispanics, women, etc in our history...if they had revolted it would've been disastrous for the nation. However with time, civil liberties were granted and life did improve.











Besides, the Tibetan theocracy in place before the communist invasion wasn't any better than the current government. The religious class ruled with absolute power and oppressed the average Tibetan just as much as the Chinese police do today, if not more.





Brief Summary:


Qing Dynasty invades Tibet in the 16th century, establishes the chain of Dalai Lama through election


1912, Chinese Revolution by the KMT (now Taiwan) - Tibet, Mongolia, and other regions declare independence


1949, KMT loses the Chinese civil war to the communists. The communists decide to take back territories lost in the early 20th century.





Armed Tibetan insurgency lasts decades, with thousands of Tibetan %26amp; Chinese soldiers and civilians dead. CIA backed armed uprising supported by the current Dalai Lama fails, and he flees to India in fear of assassination.|||agree perfectly with you-so many vehicles are created to carry the 'poison of politics' inside them to complicate matters more.i was wondering at this era why not sit and discuss the problems-say Tibet-.To me I think problems exist only at radicals and both China and Tibet are free of such' microbes'. is there no hope at solutions?At least to let the games go without boycotts?|||Which is more valuable: a gold medal from the Chinese govt or human dignity of the people in Tibet?


The answer is self-evident.|||Stop being biased, these revolts have clearly been organised and they are trouble makers that are taking advantage of a neutral Olympic event to hightlight their nonsense.





Why would the protestors burn shops, police stations, cut off flesh from police officers (yes, they did that yesterday!), cut off innocent by stander's ears etc.





Clearly, all those against the chinese are ill informed. Look at the mess that has been created due to ill-informed spy info in Iraq!





Why aren't ther protests for the starving Zimbabweans who face the highest inflation rate in the world under a mad dictator that has now passed legislation to take 51% of all foreign owned companies? Becuase the is a hidden agenda to conspire the only country that is on track to keep the mighty US in check and prevent them from ever defying the UN and attacking a country without world approval ever again. What a mess they have created in Iraq.|||Yes. Countries that attend the Olympics show that they believe that it is okay to have a horrible human rights record. China is monstrous and every country that attends the Olympic games this summer is basically stating that it condones this unacceptable behavior.|||I can't be bothered by the Olympics at all.|||stop buying Chinese, let them sell their cheap crap locally.|||This may answer your question:





First, a correction is long overdue: the word “China” or “Chinese” cannot be found in “China’s” language or in “Chinese” rich history records. What? Are you kidding? NO, I AM NOT KIDDING!





1) “China” and “Chinese” were imposed /used by the Europeans. A simple explanation might be a convenient reference to the place where a bowl of porcelain was made. But, before the Europeans first lay their eyes on a china, be it a rice bowl or a tea cup, the peoples living in that place already had a name for their country. It is called Zhong Guo. Its literal translation is: the Middle Kingdom.





2) What about its peoples? How do they address each other? There are over fifty ethnicities living in Zhong Guo. The Tibetan people is one of them. The word “Tibet” or “Tibetan” was also imposed by the Europeans. But long before the Europeans (the English) landed on Tibet, Tibetans called themselves “ bod”.or “po” . This is the word still in use, referring to both as the place and the people.





3) So, the question like , “When did Chinese first invade Tibet?” is an oxymoron. The fallacy is comparable to a hypothetical question: “When did Native Americans invade Navajo or Apache tribal lands? “ In America, you have Navajo, Cherokee, Choctaw, Sioux, Chippewa, Apache, etc. In Zhong Guo, they have Han, Hui, Mian, Zang, Zhuang, .. … about 50 plus ethnicities in all living on the land called the Middle Kingdom.





4) So, just like the Navajo people, who is an ethnic Native American, the Tibetan people is an ethnic Chinese. What? How could you say that Tibetan people is an ethnic Chinese, since their culture, clothing, food are so different ? Be calm, my friend. There are at least a dozen of other ethnic Chinese minorities whose culture, language, clothing and ways of religious worshiping are as exotic as , if not more than, that of Tibetans!





Then, what makes the Tibetan issue come to a head? A short answer is : the English and CIA’ s never-ending meddling. A long answer is: well, let’s do the long one:





5) As early as the seventh century, the ethnic Tibetan and ethnic Han Chinese established close ties through royal inter-marriages-------Han Emperor’s daughter married the head of Tibetan tribe. The alliances was cemented further into military and political bond by a mutual agreement or a bilateral practice: Han (or other ethnic Chinese, depending on which dynasty took control.) officials came to Tibetan tribal court to assist in administration and defense matters, whereas Tibetan court sent its officials to Han Chinese court. For a very long time, Central Chinese court subsidized the Tibetan court.





6) To be specific in one period: In the middle of the thirteenth century ( about 100 years after William the Conqueror invaded England), Tibet was formally incorporated into the Chinese territory of the Yuan Dynasty, Yuan Emperor Kublai entrusted to the Sakya Sect the power of administering the Tibet region, setting up the General Council (renamed Political Council in 1288) which was a central government organ exercising administrative power over the country's Buddhist affairs and the Tibetan affairs. The Yuan government instituted the system of imperial preceptor, conferred titles on political and religious leaders, delimited administrative divisions, appointed local officials, took census, collated and stipulated revenue and taxes, dividing the Tibet region into thirteen Wan Hu (ten thousand households). The heads of Wan Hu were conferred upon and appointed directly by the Yuan Court. There were three Chief Military Commands of the Pacification Commissioners' Offices which took charge of garrison troops and the administrative affairs of the various Wan Hu Offices in Tibet proper and other Tibetan areas. (The above was from historical records at the authoritative China’s websites)





7) This type of integrity has kept its steadfastness until the 19th century, when China’s Qing dynasty was vitally crippled by the opium trade imposed by the English. In 1888, The English invaded Bhutan and from there launched its first attack on Tibet. The invasion met Tibetans fierce resistance. (see http://scholar.ilib.cn/A-xzdxxb200403002… ) In 1904 the English army, headed by Francis Younghusband, launched its second invasion on Tibet. “Younghusband slaughtered 1,300 Tibetans in Gyangzê. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_You… On the Chinese records, British had slaughtered 5000 plus Tibetans at the end of the invasion. The Anglo-Tibetan Treaty of 1904 was forced upon the Tibetans. It was at the time when the Tibetans’ usual protector ----China’s Emperor could not protect himself from the uprisings inside; neither could he keep at bay the European powers from outside. (Qing Dynasty ended in 1911.)





8) But In 1906 the English made the Anglo-Chinese Convention with Qing Emperor. It confirmed the Anglo-Tibetan Treaty of 1904, Britain agreed "not to annex Tibetan territory or to interfere in the administration of Tibet" while China engaged "not to permit any other foreign state to interfere with the territory or internal administration of Tibet". In the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1907, drafted by the British, Britain also recognized the "suzerainty of China over Thibet" and, in conformity with such admitted principle, engaged "not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government” (The above was from Wikipedia. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet#Sven_…





9) In 1914, China was in chaos. English seized chance to shovel “the Simla Convention“ down Tibetan and China’s throat. By this treaty the English would partition Tibet into two: Inner Tibet and Outer Tibet. But In the end, Tibetans by pressure signed the treaty, but China government refused to sign. Since then the World War I, the Invasion of China by Japan, World War II and China’s Civil War ensued. Tibet was in neglect.





10) In 1949, Peoples’ Republic of China was established. Mao Zedong declared that new China shall “abolish all unequal treaties forced upon the peoples of China by foreign powers” This certainly includes treaties coerced upon the ethnic Tibetans by the English.





11) In 1957, CIA was involved. It transported Dalai Lama’s followers to Saipan Island in the Pacific for five months training “in modern weapons and guerrilla tactics. They were also trained in espionage and codes, and in the operation of the hand-cranked radio transmitter/receiver.” "We only lived to kill Chinese," recalled one Tibetan veteran. "Our hopes were high." One of the trainees, Gyato Wangdu (who would later become the last commander of the Chushi Candrug), asked CIA operations officer Roger McCarthy for "a portable nuclear weapon of some kind...that the trainees might employ to destroy Chinese by the hundreds." The CIA declined, but McCarthy noted that Wangdu "did take to demolition training with renewed enthusiasm" and became quite taken with bazookas and mortars. (The above was from WAR at the TOP of the WORLD. By: Bageant, Joe, Military History, 08897328, Feb2004, Vol. 20, Issue 6)





12) In 1959, Tibetan armed insurgents accelerated their attacks on ethnic Han and Peoples Liberation Army. They were supplied with arms and ammunitions air dropped by CIA Mao ordered more troops entering Tibet to quash. On or about March 10, 1959, Dalai Lama made the decision to flee. On March 17, he was smuggled out of Potala palace schemed by CIA, On March 30 he entered into India, starting his exile.





13) In 1972, Kissinger came to Beijing. China broke away from USSR and shifted to the US side. (China attended 1984 Olympics held in Los Angeles while the USSR was boycotting it.) It was then that under Nixon’s order, CIA stopped training Tibetans guerrilla on its Colorado military base. But UK did not stop supporting the exile Tibetans. In 1987, “Free Tibet” was founded in UK. Now it branched out all over the world, with 30 branches in UK alone. It was properly then that Dalai Lama made a decision, or under the guidance of MI 6, to go for secession without armed rebellions. Very likely, the end of military support might be interpreted by CIA, or as a joint decision with MI 6, as the start of political support. That requires an image platform for Dalai Lama to leapfrog.





14) 1989 is the year that affords him one. Chinese student movements broke out in the Tiananmen Square. China political structure was shaken. The Tibetans in exiles seized this chance to instigate demonstrations inside Tibet. Had China government lost its control, Tibetan secession might have been done. Anyway, CIA and MI 6 secret campaign guaranteed him a Nobel Prize.





15) In the years ensued, Dalai Lama was elevated to the peak of a praise mountain piled up by Hollywood celebrities. Nobody in the west gave a dame to the Tibetan woman neglected at the very bottom of Tibetan theocratic hierarchy. Invitations, speeches, the spotlight by western politicians are made to wash away peoples’ memory that Dalai Lama was once an armed rebellion schemer, the participant and responsible for mass killings in Tibet. No matter, as long as he can be used to embarrass China or stir up a riot against other ethnic Chinese, he serves the west well.

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